Unlocking the Power of Citrix DaaS on Amazon Workspaces Core: Next-Gen Virtual Desktop Delivery

In this episode of The Citrix Session, Bill Sutton, Andy Whiteside, and the team delve into the exciting integration between Citrix DaaS and Amazon Workspaces Core. Discover how this powerful combination simplifies virtual desktop delivery, enables the use of Microsoft 365 applications, and leverages Citrix's HDX protocol for optimized user experiences. From cost-effective deployment options to automation via Terraform, the team discusses how Citrix and AWS are better together in revolutionizing cloud-based VDI solutions. Tune in to explore the latest in virtual desktop innovation!

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Bill Sutton: Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 1, 69 of the Citrix session. I'm your host, Bill Sutton. Today we're gonna be covering a an article. About das delivery on Amazon. Amazon Workspaces core. But before we do that, want everyone on the call to introduce themselves, I have a couple of folks from Citrix as usual, and then, of course, our our CEO from Zintegra. Andy, you want to say Hello, hopefully, you're you're finished chewing.

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Andy Whiteside: Hmm, yeah, maybe Chief Nutjaw, right.

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Andy Whiteside: chief enthusiasm officer, that's all I'd say. So, Bill, I love the way you jumped in that said that before you did, you said, Let's roll. Yeah, let's roll. Let's let's knock this out. I'll do the commercial real quick. If you're a citrix customer. If you're a citrix partner looking for help, we're we're your guys. I mean, we. We have a customer Bill and I. We talked to last week around zen server. Actually, Bill, I think you were on the call. But you're on you're off that day. But Zen Server and I told them like. I want you to run zen server. It's a phenomenal place to run Citrix, but also want to make sure you do. Eyes wide open

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Andy Whiteside: and make sure we're covering the Hcl. And make sure everything's we've done everything we can going into this. And they just they really appreciated it.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, for sure.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, I'm sorry I missed that also with us. Jeremy Myers, as usual. Jeremy. Just say, Hello, please.

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Geremy Meyers: Well, hey, gang good to see you all again. I sit not too far away from Andy. Actually maybe 17 min with.

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Bill Sutton: Oh, wow!

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Geremy Meyers: Maybe without traffic

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Geremy Meyers: so close. But, man, happy to be back. I think we we skipped last week. So here we are.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, we did skip last week. It was a holiday. So.

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Geremy Meyers: It was a holiday.

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Bill Sutton: Day of rest for everyone, I hope, and last, but certainly not least, Todd Smith from Citrix Todd. Say Hello.

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Todd Smith: Hey, guys? Great to great to see everyone again! I think this is 3 weeks in a row for us, for us all to be the other on the

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Todd Smith: on the podcast.

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Todd Smith: nice, to be back in the groove.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. Nice to be back in the groove and keep it rolling like Andy said. So today, we're gonna cover this blog article from August 19, th

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Bill Sutton: entitled Simplify Virtual Desktop Delivery with Citrix Daz for Amazon workspaces core by Todd

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Bill Sutton: Turbik.

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Bill Sutton: Hopefully, I got that right.

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Bill Sutton: So anybody which one of you guys wants to kind of just talk a little bit generally about the. As for Amazon Workspaces core

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Bill Sutton: before we dive into the article.

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Geremy Meyers: Oh, Todd, I mean

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Geremy Meyers: Andy's got some thoughts. But I'll tell you that.

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Geremy Meyers: as much as this is a a conversation about Citrix, and kind of what we're doing in the space which

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Geremy Meyers: you know, I think is exciting.

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Geremy Meyers: There's a pretty monumental announcement that Microsoft made in the context of Amazon, which is pretty interesting in itself. So I mean, I think some of the challenges

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Geremy Meyers: that like if you were a you know, we're talking about Workspaces core, which is actually a different product than Amazon Workspaces. Right? So let's be clear about this. There were some challenges to running something as simple as Microsoft Office in workspaces. So you know, I I think, what this integration does honestly, in this announcement with Microsoft and the ability to run Microsoft 365 applications inside of a desktop

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Geremy Meyers: that is being

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Geremy Meyers: constructed, I guess. Sort of hosted

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Geremy Meyers: in workspaces course. So we'll get into the the minutia around kind of what we're doing here. But that was a big freaking deal, because that's not always something that Microsoft has allowed. And so when they announced this piece of this last year. It was a pretty big announcement between Amazon and Microsoft which sounds a little bit counterintuitive. But you know, if you think about what Microsoft's business is as much as it's azure. I mean, there's this office piece, and it's really, you know, how do we grow that business as well.

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Andy Whiteside: I got I got the song. Why can't we be friends?

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Andy Whiteside: Did did that sound as good to you guys as it did to me cause it sounded pretty good myself.

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Geremy Meyers: I'm just glad we recorded that cause I'm gonna come back to that one. It's gonna be fun.

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Bill Sutton: I'll pull a clip out of it at some point and play it in our all hands or something. So you know.

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Bill Sutton: So yeah, let's talk a little bit about what

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Bill Sutton: Amazon Workspaces core is at its core. Which one you want us to take that.

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Todd Smith: So, so.

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Andy Whiteside: I'm sorry. Sorry I didn't know you had to, Todd. Let me speak 1 1 quick statement. I think the Hyperscalers, the public clouds, the hyperscalers on all kinds of workloads are going to have a massive long term opportunity to win over a lot of that business. So to me, this is monumental that Citrix and Microsoft are attaching themselves to this.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Long term play. Sorry Todd.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. So so I think if you if you look at what Amazon Workspaces core is, it's really the infrastructure components that you would need to run a

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Todd Smith: virtual desktop. Virtual app environment, right? Or or what we refer to as Citrix das right? It's the ability to

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Todd Smith: leverage the scale that Amazon brings to the space brings to the marketplace.

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Todd Smith: you know, certainly in terms of them building out data centers and then building out the infrastructure components.

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Todd Smith: You know, as Andy just said, you know, th, these are the hyper scalers. These are the folks that are built

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Todd Smith: purpose-built data centers to scale out very quickly.

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Todd Smith: And it's not only scaling out, but it's scaling up right? So it's not

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Todd Smith: built, for you know, the the small consumers. These are built for large enterprises. The benefit here is that it brings a lot of those Citrix management tools into play.

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Todd Smith: so the ability to leverage

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Todd Smith: all of our hdx capabilities, the ability to manage those workloads. Both

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Todd Smith: from an operational efficiency

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Todd Smith: piece of it, but also administratively and and cost effectively.

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Todd Smith: And the biggest, the biggest thing is, you know.

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Todd Smith: this is a partnership with not only

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Todd Smith: not only Citrix and Amazon, but also the partnership that involves, like Andy said, bringing in Microsoft into the play.

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Geremy Meyers: So I mean, I guess, under the under the hood bill, I mean, it is a

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Geremy Meyers: so let's forget. The citrix piece. Workspaces. Core is a dedicated virtual desktop

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Geremy Meyers: hosted by Amazon. Right? What's included with that? The consumption? Right? So if you go to the website right now, you can see that. Listen, there's different iterations of this. How many cpus, how much RAM do you want? How much storage things like that? But at the end of the day. What it is is.

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Geremy Meyers: you know, you can buy by the hour, or you can just commit to a monthly price, which I think is what a lot of folks are are looking for, simply because now I can predict if I'm doing dedicated desktops, I'm not saying it's the most cost effective option. But

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Geremy Meyers: I need a hundred desktops. It's a hundred bucks a piece. You do the math. That's exactly what your monthly spend will be.

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Geremy Meyers: you know, per user, right, because that's how this thing is licensed.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. And I think one of the other things from what I've read about is they? It comes with packaged well, not packaged, but pre-built Amazon workspaces core images that you can from a gallery or a library that you can leverage if you want to. As a starting point for building your own custom image, or you can use them natively. I think some of them have the the M. 3, 65 apps already installed. You have to have your own license, of course. But that's a that's a huge advantage to to having pre-built images out there that

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Bill Sutton: This shows up Amazon workspaces core, basically just like leveraging Citrix. Das it's another resource location within your environment. So if your customers wanna use that for certain types of use cases, and then they want an on Prem environment as well. You know Citrix can manage that for you. Like, Jeremy said. There's a pretty flexible price pricing associated with this

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Bill Sutton: like. There's a pay as you go, of course, and then there's this fixed price model which I I presume is a just like it says a fixed price, no matter how much you use it, or how little you use it. Right, Jeremy.

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Geremy Meyers: Yep, yep. So, for instance, I'm looking. I'm on the website right now, so you can get 8 virtual cpus, 32 gigs of RAM

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Geremy Meyers: and there's a few different options around storage, and it looks like that model is maybe 108 a month.

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Geremy Meyers: Is that be all in dedicated to you, Bill. Now, if you want to go High End, just to provide some context, you know.

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Geremy Meyers: we do have some folks who need graphics, intensive images, and they do have some Nvidia

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Geremy Meyers: versions of that. I think it's Nvidia. I'm gonna assume it is. But anyways, it's graphics. And almost

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Geremy Meyers: 800 bucks a month on the high end.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Geremy Meyers: If that's your if that's your use case. But I mean, think about it. How much is a high end

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Geremy Meyers: workstation that you might have to procure and dedicate to an engineer sitting in a cubicle somewhere, specifically to do their work.

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Geremy Meyers: you know, maybe 7, 64 is not a bad deal, considering you could.

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Geremy Meyers: you know, hit that from anywhere. There's all sorts of metrics. But

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Geremy Meyers: on top of that you can also buy application bundles. So if you like. We mentioned earlier this deal with Microsoft. You can buy these from Amazon. So, for instance, if you need office, if you need visio, those sorts of things you buy that you've layered in, or if you've got an M. 365 license, you can leverage that as well. So that is a pretty big deal.

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Bill Sutton: So anything else we should talk about on the pricing

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Bill Sutton: scale here, there. We should probably mention auto scale. Obviously, if you're doing a.

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Andy Whiteside: Hey! Bill!

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Andy Whiteside: Sorry. Real quick.

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Bill Sutton: Go ahead!

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Andy Whiteside: Was applauding.

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Andy Whiteside: So so Jeremy and Todd and Bill

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Andy Whiteside: this challenge where you couldn't run the Microsoft license. Your subscription, Microsoft apps in

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Andy Whiteside: that's gone, at least in Amazon. You can do it now.

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Geremy Meyers: You can do it. Now, you can do that with specifically workspaces core. I don't think this changes, workspaces itself. Again, those are 2 different products. But with Workspaces core.

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Geremy Meyers: it's something you can do. In fact, I think this article points that out as well. Yep.

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Andy Whiteside: I

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Andy Whiteside: from a citrix guy trying to sell workloads on? Aws, I think that's awesome

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Andy Whiteside: as a guy who wonders how Microsoft gets away with picking and choosing where they allow their licenses to run. I'm

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Andy Whiteside: I'm still a little perplexed.

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Geremy Meyers: I doubt I would not disagree with you, but because the world seems to have standardized for the most part on you know office, you know, I think.

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Geremy Meyers: until there's a viable alternative. And this is someone who's using the Google stack pretty extensively here.

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Geremy Meyers: I still miss, Excel, excel.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. So leveraging Das with workspaces core like like you guys were saying, the customers can get can run the full blown Microsoft stack full blown when Microsoft 3, 65. It looks like they've they've enabled both single session as well as multi windows. Server oriented delivery and encrypted disk, support.

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Andy Whiteside: Which is.

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Bill Sutton: Kind of part of the next section. Here the first, st the section integrations with productivity apps, talks about leveraging 365 for windows 10 already. Now you can run your apps in workspaces. Core. What we found is some customers that have

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Bill Sutton: that have standardized, or at least have a large presence in Aws wanted the capability of being able to run those run these types of Vdi workloads in aws as well, but they wanted to have their own. Their own standard control plane and being able to leverage workspaces, core gives them the ability to kind of do both, or or on prem or other clouds if they want to. Yes, Andy.

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Andy Whiteside: So

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Andy Whiteside: bill

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Andy Whiteside: and Team.

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Andy Whiteside: if I want to run a multi-user session in Aws.

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Andy Whiteside: I'm still limited to doing that on the server. OS. Aren't I.

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Bill Sutton: That's correct. That's my understanding.

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Andy Whiteside: Yeah, that's that's

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Andy Whiteside: So they are. Still, Microsoft is still holding back the ability to use the client OS for multi-session.

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Andy Whiteside: Only in azure.

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Bill Sutton: I think that's still the case. Yes.

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Geremy Meyers: I think that's still the case. Yeah, yeah. So as it stands. The enterprise. Edition of windows that you would normally have associated with. You know, Andy, where your heads at is, Avd

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Geremy Meyers: multi-session wise. And so this would need to be Server 2,01920 22. Although I can't tell. Based on the blog post here whether or not we're we're supporting the single serve single session version or the multi-session.

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Geremy Meyers: I don't know if you've picked that apart, Todd.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, I haven't. I haven't been able to find that yet.

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Geremy Meyers: it looks like we've got multi-session support in tech preview right now. So I I think there's some things to sort out.

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Bill Sutton: In terms of when you say multi-session, you mean you're you're still meaning windows server. Right? Jeremy.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah. Yeah. So I'm I'm reading the section here. So the tech preview of dash for Workspaces core and do and included several different things, including starting with windows Server 2019 and 22 single session support with multi-session in Tech Preview.

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Bill Sutton: Bring you. Okay?

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Geremy Meyers: In tech Preview, only windows 10 and 11 were supported. So this edition offers more flexibility. So to answer your question, Andy.

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Geremy Meyers: we're probably gonna have to go back to Todd and get a couple of clarifications here because it's very unclear

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Geremy Meyers: on what options are actually supported. So let me well, you guys talk amongst yourselves, I'll see if it's in

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Geremy Meyers: the documentation that's been released.

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Bill Sutton: Looks like also encrypted disc support is is included, or is now available as part of

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Bill Sutton: part of this, and they've got a lot of other features on the roadmap.

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Bill Sutton: Let's see if we come. Did we cover everything that's in here? I think, Jeremy, you're gonna look this look some of the other stuff up so.

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Andy Whiteside: Before we move away from the multi-session. I'm gonna tell the Andy story real, because a different audience, I think, and Jeremy and Todd may have never heard this guys when I was working at Microsoft doing support S. Sp. 2. Respect to for windows, Xp. Came out, and it had multi session in there. Have you ever heard me tell that story?

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Bill Sutton: I don't think so.

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Geremy Meyers: No.

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Andy Whiteside: I was. I was as a citrix guy working at Microsoft the time, but I'd been a citrix guy prior to that. I was so excited to have multi session in a client. OS,

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Andy Whiteside: and it was in service. Pack 2, and they pulled it out last minute. I'm like hmm! Wonder where that went, and then, when I saw it show back up in azure many, many years later, I'm like Aha! That's what they did. With that

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Andy Whiteside: I thought it was.

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Bill Sutton: So the next section deals with automation via terraform. I've got just a basic understanding of that Todd. You got knowledge about this one.

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Todd Smith: So.

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Geremy Meyers: But hey, Todd, real quick before we get into the terraform, because this is this. By the way, this is awesome next level stuff with terraform. But let's be clear about what this integration with Workspaces Core is doing. So if I could dumb this thing down.

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Geremy Meyers: maybe that was the wrong thing to say. If I could simplify this to a lot of folks who are running Citrix farms today and understand the concept of remote PC,

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Geremy Meyers: it's kind of what we're doing here. Right? So we are integrating in with this workspaces, core, by the way, very similar

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Geremy Meyers: to windows 365 in the desktops. The cloud Pcs. If you will, where we can install the Vda in.

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Geremy Meyers: You know, we're extending

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Geremy Meyers: into our workspaces. Core desktop 2 or 3 different things. Number one, we're adding hdx. So when you think about what you get with hdx, you get all of the. And Todd alluded to this.

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Geremy Meyers: All the policies. You know all the flexibility with the protocol itself in terms of bandwidth management, because we're replacing. And I forget what protocol that core uses. But we're replacing the protocol itself.

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Geremy Meyers: We're adding in the policies it integrates in with, Andy's got both hands up. It integrates in with the analytics platform as well, so now we're pulling information about the desktops and feeding that into the analytics engine that we hosted Citrix.

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Geremy Meyers: anything that you're doing with a Vda with, you know, something sitting in azure on Prem the data. So now we're extending out to core. And you can. You can pop poly app protection again. Again something else you can't do in core that we can extend out to.

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Bill Sutton: Right.

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Geremy Meyers: A workspace.

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Geremy Meyers: and he's got his hand up.

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Andy Whiteside: Well, and I could be wrong with this, but it's been. It's been a while. But I was in the middle of the conversations between Citrix leadership and aws leadership at least on the Workspace side.

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Andy Whiteside: and one of our friends won't name his name here is was, you know, brought in to help advise that. And his comment to a Amazon, aws is, guys, you can't compete in this space if you don't have your own protocol. And so they're using Rdp

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Andy Whiteside: remote desktop, remote desktop presentation, layer, protocol or presentation protocol. And so, Jeremy, that your thing you glossed over briefly, and some of that comment, and the rest of it was very valuable, too, is the fact that without this

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Andy Whiteside: Amazon doesn't have a powerful protocol to use, that's the number one thing. In my opinion. There's a lot of management stuff, too, but the number one thing that Citrix brings to it is that you know, top of the line protocol to be able to have happy users.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. So so I think one of the things that a lot of a lot of customers being challenged with is the amount of time it takes to prepare and present

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Todd Smith: All of those things the user didn't care about that. It was. It was all the end. Result was they got a chance to log in and actually start using the the applications or the desktops

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Todd Smith: with the need to improve upon. You know the the performance and the the user experience. You need to start being able to automate things right? So terraform is one of those

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Todd Smith: and be able to do that in such a way that everything the user would need is available to them in the form of this system that you're presenting to them. Right? So being able to say, Hey, you know what I need to have the following settings following configuration, I need to have the following hardware put together. Right? It's the assembly model for this, but it's being done

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Todd Smith: So there's a there's a huge cost savings associated with that. The big thing is is that terraform is becoming one of those industry standard practices, and it can be spun up and it can be scripted. It can be built kind of as needed. But it's built within a certain amount of requirements of certain policy associated with it. Right? So you're not over architecting. You're not under architecting. You're building kind of just what what the user needs at that time.

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Geremy Meyers: You know what's interesting about this, because it didn't get real for me until about 2 years ago, on exactly what you could do with terraform. Right? So one of the things that we have done with our entire product stack is, we've exposed a lot of the functions by an Api, right? So now I can code the ability to do a lot of things meaning I don't go into studio

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Geremy Meyers: this piece is baked into the product now. So I'm on with a customer, and he's tinkering around with a netscaler.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, and they can leverage the the advantages here is, if you've already got an automation pipeline system in place, you just plug this into that and and build it out. Built a build a separate pipeline out for this right? And the the other benefit here, which I think we've kind of alluded to is the ability to really get

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Bill Sutton: to where every one of your images, at least at at build time, is consistent. You you don't have somebody that's taking an existing image, cloning it. And maybe that's what they're doing here. Maybe not and you're deploying various management layer tools on the on the system as well as applications, the ability to to get it to the point where everything is uniform, at least when it's initially built.

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Bill Sutton: Any other comments on terraform automation. I think this is really up like you said, I think, Jeremy, one of you guys said next level technology, there's a video in the blog that's in. I've watched it. It was very interesting. Probably worth a a look for our listeners at some point.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean, if you're a if you're an it professional? I think this is a and you're not investing the time learning, or if you're looking for the next thing to invest your time to learn

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Geremy Meyers: terraform would be one thing, I would invest my time in 100%.

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Bill Sutton: For sure!

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Bill Sutton: sure. Alright, so we're at the end of the article. Citrix and Amazon better together. Kind of summarizes the the concept here of being able to deliver cost effect, effective video solutions to users and be able to bring their own license to and deploy office 365. There's some product documentation and an aws blog and and a related podcast with aws to learn more about this, any final thoughts on this or any other thoughts around this topic. Guys.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean, I guess my last thought is you know. How do you get this? How do you get this integration point? I mean, it's not going to be an add on. So this will be something that is included with your universal hybrid multi cloud. So uhmc license or Cpl.

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Geremy Meyers: So when this release and it has released, you should.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, it's just another deployment method within studio. Or yeah, citrus cloud studio is the is just another deployment method to point you to the Aws, workspaces, environment and provision.

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Andy Whiteside: How about the how about the on prem version of the the management console? Does it do it as well? Am I missing that.

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Geremy Meyers: I think this version, Andy is only supported with daz.

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Geremy Meyers: See that like in azure right? For you know various reasons. Right? So you know, I could see a scenario where maybe you're running full stack heck, even in a different cloud. But you want to tap into Workspaces core. I'm not going to say that this won't ever make it in, because I'm not entirely sure. So maybe honest about that. But right now it certainly is. Daz only.

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Andy Whiteside: in something that you're already doing which is really good. I I couldn't help it earlier. You guys were talking about, you know. Take this and apply to this, and you got the best of both. I'm thinking about a resus commercial that Bill certainly talk about a hundred times where you know you got somebody's chocolate. And now you put put it in somebody else's peanut butter, and you really do have the best of breed solution for what you were trying to accomplish.

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Geremy Meyers: I love that. I'll tell you what, as much as I love peanut Butter, M. And Ms. This is completely off topic.

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Geremy Meyers: I really love just taking M. And M's and dumping them in peanut butter. Not gonna lie.

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Andy Whiteside: I I dump my chocolate chip cookies in peanut butter in my house.

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Andy Whiteside: and people think I'm crazy, but my instant, or real or oreo. I put oreo in peanut butter. Oh.

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Bill Sutton: And now I've got some new things to try downstairs after this call. So.

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Geremy Meyers: This. We do this over lunch. This is not good.

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Andy Whiteside: Keep in mind. I could eat 5,000 calories a day, and never gain weight, so keep that.

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Todd Smith: Oh, you're so lucky!

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Bill Sutton: All right, gents. Anything else on this topic.

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Geremy Meyers: No, no, listen, this is pretty exciting. So I'm pretty fired up about this. Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: Definitely so. Alright. Well, thanks. We'll do it again next week.

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Andy Whiteside: See you guys.

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Geremy Meyers: Alright. See? You guys.