Citrix + Nutanix: The Easy Button for VDI Management

Managing virtual desktops doesn’t have to be hard. In Episode 180 of The Citrix Session, Bill Sutton is joined by Citrix’s Todd Smith and Geremy Meyers—and special guest Phil Sellers from XenTegra—to break down the latest innovations from the Citrix + Nutanix partnership.

What’s New & Why It Matters:

• One Integration Point: Citrix now supports Prism Central, giving you seamless access to multiple Nutanix clusters—on-prem or in the cloud
• Hybrid Cloud Ready: Simplify and scale across data centers and hyperscalers with Nutanix Cloud Clusters (NC2)
• Image Management at Scale: Clone and replicate Citrix golden images across clusters effortlessly
• NetScaler VPX Now on AHV: Official support eliminates hardware and hypervisor lock-in
• Faster, Simpler Admin Experience: Unified visibility, better resiliency, and zero image refactoring

Bottom Line:
Citrix and Nutanix just made managing and scaling VDI a whole lot easier—and more cost-effective.

 🎙️ Hosted by: Bill Sutton, XenTegra
 👥 Guests: Todd Smith & Geremy Meyers (Citrix), Phil Sellers (XenTegra)

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Bill Sutton: Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 180 of the Citrix session. My name is Bill Sutton. I'm your host for today. I have a at least one extra person with me today, which we'll we'll get to in a minute. But I'll obviously have Todd Smith and Jeremy Myers from Citrix. Todd, you want to say Hello.

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Bill Sutton: Okay.

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Todd Smith: Bill.

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Todd Smith: Great to see you again.

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Bill Sutton: Yup, like we were talking about on the last one. We're at 1 80. So we hopefully we can get at least 20 more of these done between now and the end of the year, so we can hit that magic 200 number. Right, Jeremy Jeremy Myers from Citrix, is with us as well. You want to say.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, I mean, we we how many, how many weeks is this? 20 weeks that represents what? Maybe 5 or 6 months? So by the end of the year.

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Geremy Meyers: Maybe maybe we do like a Christmas episode, which is the

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Geremy Meyers: the 200th episode of the of the podcast we do something special.

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Bill Sutton: Your funny Christmas hats right right.

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Geremy Meyers: Be Uncle Eddie.

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Bill Sutton: What's that?

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Geremy Meyers: I'll be cousins.

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Todd Smith: Eddie.

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Bill Sutton: Because and we have a special guest with us today that is driven largely by the topic for today, and his name is Phil sellers. He's 1 of our business unit leaders at Centegra. Phil, welcome to the podcast if you don't mind. If you'd introduce yourself for the for our audience, I would appreciate it.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, thanks, Bill, yeah, I'm Phil Sellers. As as Bill said. I get the privilege of running our data center practice at integra, and so what you you'll see. Why, I'm joining here in just a minute. But as a little bit of background, I come from the customer side. So have a lot of empathy for customers and their viewpoint, and and so I always try to advocate for those

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Philip Sellers: those viewpoints. But part of what I do here at integra is oversee our relationship with all of our data center partners, including Nutanix, and so happy to be here and kind of talking about things. And

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Philip Sellers: it sounds like guys. I've got some

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Philip Sellers: work to do to kind of catch up with you because our nutanix podcast just celebrated a hundred episodes. So you guys are doubling down on me. We got some work to do.

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Geremy Meyers: Listen. You're catching up quick at this rate. Todd and I have had to. We've had to miss a week here or there, so it won't be long until

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Geremy Meyers: if this was Mario Kart you'd be throwing. It's you'd be throwing a turtle at us just trying to.

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Philip Sellers: I was.

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Geremy Meyers: Of course.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Congratulations on a hundred, Phil, for sure. And you know, we we've been doing it longer. So that's why we've got more the higher numbers. But I don't know. Like, like Jeremy said, we, we've gotta try to avoid the turtles and

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Bill Sutton: the biggest part, the biggest issue for us is we gotta come up with the content. There's blog articles, aren't what they used to be. There's not as many of them so but this one is a good one that we're covering today. And hence why, you're here the blog article we're gonna cover is entitled Citrix and Nutanix team up to simplify virtual desktop management. It's written by Avilash Verma, hopefully. I didn't completely.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean you. You nailed it. You nailed it. Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: So the focus of this article is obviously nutanix and Citrix relationship, which which goes back a long time, probably not long after the initial formation or initial go to market of Nutanix, one of the one of the key workloads. I think they

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Bill Sutton: they focused on back. Then was citrix workloads, virtual desktop workloads and virtual apps. I remember dating myself, and I don't know what year it was, but going to a a synergy conference. I think it was probably in.

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Bill Sutton: Well, it was out West somewhere, either Vegas or San Francisco. And seeing this booth of this.

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Bill Sutton: this company, I never heard of a little small booth, and it was I don't even know how to pronounce it, but I went over and talked to them, and they explained what they did, and it was fascinating, this concept of of No. No. 3 tier environments, no separate storage array. It was rather novel at the time, and of course. Look where we come right, Phil, you want to give a little background on Nutanix generally, before we jump into the detail.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, I mean, as you visited that little not next booth as one of our yeah. That's what he likes to call it on on ours. You know it. It does get mispronounced a lot. But you know, the mass has finally learned what this is, what the technology can do. And you know. Still, today, it's

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Philip Sellers: a perfect use case for Nutanix technology to run vdi, the secret sauce in the stack that makes it just fly for citrix workloads. And so it's still one of the most common entry points for customers, and it's just a slam dunk when it comes to, you know, running infrastructure for Vdi. So we're we're still helping a lot of customers in that use case. But

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Philip Sellers: there's a lot of expansion opportunity that's going on in the industry today, too. And so we're happy to help expand those use cases because it's great platform for everything anymore.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. Absolutely any comments on. Yep.

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Geremy Meyers: Yeah, before we get into the blog post. I do have a couple of questions for actually know what? Just some comments. But you know. I I remember when Nutanix was sort of 1st got mainstream, like I think the primary Hypervisor was, I wanna say vmware, like most of the deployments

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Geremy Meyers: for vmware, and I can't remember how long ago this was when ahv you know the Acropolis Hypervisor Nutanix's own hypervisor was introduced.

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Geremy Meyers: But man the the pitch that I can remember. One of the enterprise se's told me is, listen, we're just making the hypervisor disappear like it's there, but you don't want to spend a whole lot of time managing a hypervisor like, what do you know? You want to think about the workloads and what that looks like, and how. That's.

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Geremy Meyers: you know, sort of managed and extended at scale. But you know, if you're a vmware customer, you spend a lot of time thinking about Esx and V center, and all these bits and pieces?

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Geremy Meyers: Do you find, Phil, that most of your deployments, if not all, or all? Hv, I mean, are we even talking about vsphere on.

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Philip Sellers: Yeah, we still run into a few customers, but it is a minority at this point. And would you believe we just celebrated the 10th anniversary of Ahp. So it's been 10 years in the making. But it is kind of that invisible part of the infrastructure. Now.

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Philip Sellers: You know, customers. What we like to say is customers. When you go to azure aws! You don't know or have any.

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Geremy Meyers: Control it? Yeah.

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Philip Sellers: Hypervisor is. It's just a transparent transparent part of delivering the services, the virtual machines, the outcomes. And so Nutanix today is really trying to do the same thing. You know, there's a lot of tailwinds based on the broadcom acquisition which are pushing more and more customers towards Ahv.

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Philip Sellers: We've also seen the number of applications that aren't certified decrease to

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Philip Sellers: maybe enough that you could keep them on one hand, less than 5

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Philip Sellers: of mainstream applications that won't run on the Nutanix.

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Geremy Meyers: So we're probably splitting their hairs here. But when you mean won't run, it's not that it won't run. It's just. It's not officially supported.

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Philip Sellers: That's right.

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Todd Smith: you know the Hypervisor itself should be the invisible portion of it.

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Todd Smith: It really comes down to 2 things. Number one is, can the application run on it which goes to the certification conversation. But the other piece of it is, is it manageable? And is it easy to administer the overall system? And I think the the big groundbreaker that Nutanix brought to the market was the prism

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Todd Smith: Because you can actually not only manage the actual hypervisor as well as the storage and all of the other components associated with that. But you can also integrate it with

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Todd Smith: your you know your das platform, your Vdi management tools, all of the other tools that are that people use to manage those guest. Virtual machines

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Todd Smith: can all be managed through prism, which I think is a is kind of a groundbreaker for Nutanix when they introduced prism.

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Geremy Meyers: Listen, Citrix, is integration, whether it's the das service, or even the on Prem Cvad product. I mean, we've integrated with Hv.

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Geremy Meyers: For a long time. We've integrated with prism for a long time. We've been able to.

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Geremy Meyers: man, what is different? What did we just announce recently? I think it. Next we went live with it. But what did we just announce.

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Philip Sellers: you know, Nutanix doesn't just run in a data center somewhere. It runs in hyperscalers. It runs in managed service providers. The same software is running in all sorts of different locations, providing true hybrid multi cloud.

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Philip Sellers: And so there's enhancements around that from the Citrix partnership with Nutanix. You know.

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Philip Sellers: It cuts down on all of the disk space that you need and makes it really optimized. And so what we're doing now is across those clusters. So back towards that scale.

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Philip Sellers: we're now making it possible to clone those master images that you use for Citrix across multiple, different clusters and destinations. And so that's a big part of it.

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Philip Sellers: along with hyperbossor flexibility. So those are the things that I I think we'll touch on today.

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Geremy Meyers: Got it so in the previous world as in 6 months ago.

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Geremy Meyers: it looked a lot like this. I've got a

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Geremy Meyers: I've got a citrix deployment. I've got a cluster, a Nutani cluster sitting in Data center one I've got another cluster sitting in Data Center 2

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Geremy Meyers: I've also got and we'll get into Nutanix. Cloud clusters in a minute. Say that 3 times fast. But the idea that I've got these multiple clusters, you know, from a Citrix perspective. I was probably tying up a connection to one yet another connection to the next one, and then a 3rd connection to maybe my my hyperscaler. I guess what you're saying with Nutanix Cloud Central. I've got one spot.

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Geremy Meyers: It's got line of sight into every cluster everywhere, and now I can integrate directly with it. So now it's completely simplified. I've got a single tie into Nutanix from one spot

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Geremy Meyers: and from a Citrix perspective I got line of sight

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Geremy Meyers: or or anything, so it just greatly simplifies them.

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Philip Sellers: It does. And I guess when we talk about prism there, there's a little nuance to this right on every set every nutanix cluster. There's gonna be prism element. And so that's running native on the box for management.

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Philip Sellers: But then there's this construct of prism central, which is where.

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Philip Sellers: almost like a V center ish management platform but inside of prism central, you can also run all of these additional services. And so

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Philip Sellers: you will see us manage files for a citrix cluster for user data and profiles that's running in a prism central. And now Nutanix Central is the manager of managers. And so you'll have a prism central in each of your data centers. It may have multiple clusters. Now, this is rolling that all up into one centralized platform. And so that's a huge huge step forward.

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Philip Sellers: we have native support from Citrix to go against prism central. So you can do multiple clusters

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Philip Sellers: and to manage your resources. So we've got 2 things really within that announcement.

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Geremy Meyers: So the other thing that is new for me, actually, it's not new. I was at next last year. So I'm lying a little bit. But I did see this last year for the 1st time, which is Nutanix Cloud clusters. The idea that I can extend my Nutanix cluster to azure, to aws, and I

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Philip Sellers: It's the same.

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Philip Sellers: So the simplicity, you know on Prem is the simplicity you're gonna get in the cloud. So it manages the same way. You don't have to retrain your staff. You don't have to go through tons of additional concepts and things.

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Philip Sellers: Virtual machines are still virtual machines. You access them through prism central. You manage them the same way. You gain portability for things like Dr. And, you know, backups and things you can replicate directly into a cloud cluster. It's the exact same software just running in a different location. In this case, aws or azure.

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Geremy Meyers: So I mean, I think Todd and Bill tell you that you know we think about customers who are running on Prem today, even if it's HP right, they're not running cloud clusters yet, right? But then they're running in Amazon. They're running in azure. I want to spin up a desktop. Guess what I've got a.

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Geremy Meyers: It's a different image. I've got a there's either an azure image or an Aws image, and I'm you know, in potentially refactoring some things. But in this scenario, because it's the same hypervisor I'm probably just.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean, I'm just thinking about Dr. Just, you know, any any sort of business continuity. I'm just swinging things over. Off I go, or I need extra capacity. I'm not building new images for my cloud. I'm using the same image I'm using on Prem, and I can easily

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Philip Sellers: Yeah. And and that got easier as part of the set of announcements we're talking about.

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Philip Sellers: That replication of the base image is now fully supported and automated. So it's an easier process for your administrators.

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Philip Sellers: But beyond that, we're thinking about image management. Think about all the other app data. Think about user data and things like that. We also have the ability to replicate

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Philip Sellers: nutanix files and all of that user data between locations. There's improvements that are, you know, layered on if we need active active. So there's solution set at hand to handle the full needs of the Vdi stack. It's not just necessarily the Vm hosting. It's it's 3, 60.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean, we forget about that, don't we, Todd? Somehow you want to move the profiles. You gotta move them somehow right? And.

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Todd Smith: robocopy. That was what we used to use back in the day. I mean, you might as well bring up plate. Spin, my friend.

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Geremy Meyers: That was for you. That was a that was a soft phone.

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Todd Smith: functionality. And and you know, we've got our own image portability service. So they can. They can interact with this as well. And it really is, hey? I've invested a lot of time and effort and building out my, you know my golden images.

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Todd Smith: I need to be able to update them, regardless of what platform I'm on. And you know this, this functionality from Nutanix certainly helps out considerably with this.

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Bill Sutton: So I wanna I wanna go back. I don't know

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Bill Sutton: 10 min or so. And and I want to dumb this down guys that that's that's my role. Here.

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Geremy Meyers: And.

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Bill Sutton: Basically, before this announcement, correct me if I'm wrong, Phil. But before this announcement.

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Bill Sutton: if I had a Citrix environment and I had multi clusters. So I had multiple nutanix clusters, one in one data center, one in another data center, or maybe even side by side in the same data center doesn't really matter. I literally had to have separate connections to each prism element correct. And now you've gone up at a higher level where you're managing you like you, said the manager of managers. Right? And so now I connect to prism

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Bill Sutton: central and essentially, I have the ability to tie into all 3 of those clusters, and I can move things between them

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Bill Sutton: potentially replicate things between them. And one of those clusters could be in Nc. 2, correct and the ability to manage that similarly. At least at this point.

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Philip Sellers: So in theory, yes, to the last thing. So everything up to the very last point around cloud clusters. There's some limitations with cloud clusters and prism central. So what we would advocate from an architecture standpoint

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Philip Sellers: we would keep each physical location on a separate PC or prism central and and then yes, everything else you said. You attach it, prism central, you gain the portability to run pools and resources.

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Philip Sellers: the logical Citrix level. So your delivery groups and your machine catalogs those map into, you know, multiple clusters. And so that's that's really the big thing is, is it helps us manage lifecycle. Introduce, you know additional capacity

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Philip Sellers: into a Citrix farm much more easily.

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Bill Sutton: Alright! Well, there's another topic I want to touch on here any other, any other things on prism, central integration.

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Bill Sutton: anything anybody else want to comment on prism, central integration, but we beat that to death.

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Geremy Meyers: We beat it to live. Bill, that's a yeah. That's good.

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Bill Sutton: Better. That's a better analogy. Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: more positive. So another part of this announcement was something that we knew was coming, and that was the ability to natively support Netscalar Vpx on Ahv. I think this had been kind of in a preview state for a while. We had a couple of customers that even kick the tires on it. But the ability now to deploy vpx directly on ahv is is now fully supported. Am I correct? There, gentlemen.

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Geremy Meyers: You're correct. It's officially official.

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Bill Sutton: Officially as a.

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Geremy Meyers: Officially official. So we've had customers doing even before. It was tech preview. We had customers who had sorted out.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Geremy Meyers: How to make it work? If we.

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Bill Sutton: Leveraging, Kvm, copy. Right? Yeah.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean, let's we. We have customers who were migrating to a Nutanix data center. They were wanted to retire all of their Esx hosts, and that was the one thing that was kind of holding them back. It was virtual instances of Netscalar, and

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Geremy Meyers: and so they would just go do it, and the tech preview came out and it was sort of pseudo supported. But now it's it's gone. Ga, so that's something you can do.

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Geremy Meyers: Full sport.

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Bill Sutton: Very good. So I think you know the that's really most of the article. The last section here just talks about the the Citrix and Nutanix working together to

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Bill Sutton: to enable customers to have better resiliency and management of their environments across clusters let by leveraging Nutanix Prism. Central. I knew I knew before dot next that something was coming. Didn't know what it was, but I'm sure Phil did. But, nevertheless, this is a great announcement, particularly for,

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Bill Sutton: you know, customers that have multiple clusters which, quite frankly, are a lot of them in the mid market and above, because they need, they've got multi data center environments, right? So the ability to be able to orchestrate and manage workloads without having to create all these separate connections across the environment, I think, is key. Any final thoughts or comments. I'll start at the top. Todd.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. So so I think this is a

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Todd Smith: pretty strong, long term partnership, and not only not only between Citrix and Nutanix, but also integra in the middle of this. You know there is some complexity.

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Todd Smith: that a lot of customers are trying to solve for, and it comes with a solid understanding of how the products from both companies work, but also how to integrate them together, and in some cases it requires some some thoughtful design into. You know, how do we make things work better, more efficiently, and give a better experience, not only for the users, but also for the administrators that are taking care of this on a daily basis.

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Bill Sutton: Absolutely.

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Todd Smith: Leveraging partners like yourselves is absolutely critical to this successful recipe.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. And you know, in addition to our rock, solid Uc Citrix practice, we got a rock solid data center practice with Philip, for sure, so kudos. There, Jeremy, any final thoughts from you.

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Geremy Meyers: I mean. Listen, I don't get paid

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Geremy Meyers: 1st selling Nutanix right? And you know the Citrix story is very much.

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Geremy Meyers: It's very much hybrid. You can run in a data center, different hypervisors in a cloud. So on and so forth. But

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Geremy Meyers: gonna be honest, like Nutanix anytime, I walk into a customer situation. They're running Citrix and Nutanix. I'm just like, all right, you guys have the easy button. It really is super super simple, and I can't overstate that so if you have not looked at Citrix on Nutanix, you should. And this is coming from someone. By the way, who doesn't get paid. I did not get a lunch for this.

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Geremy Meyers: but it's it's always it's always fun to walk into, because it really is the easy button.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, I would completely agree with that. Bill. Final thoughts.

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Philip Sellers: Well, Jeremy stole my analogy. So you know, I I was, gonna talk about staples and the easy button. But yeah, it is. It is really true. You know, just to underscore that, you know when I talk to customers who aren't familiar with Nutanix, I tell them 3 things. Nutanix is a company that's built infrastructure. That's meant to be simple.

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Philip Sellers: It's meant to give you choice.

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Philip Sellers: and it's meant to be performant. And so it checks the box on all 3 of those you need great performance to run. Vdi.

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Philip Sellers: But if you're looking for a simplified no finger pointing.

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Philip Sellers: you know, orchestrated day, one orchestrated day 100.

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Philip Sellers: That's what Nutanix is going to give you, and that's part of the value prop. It's around giving back cycles to your administrators, making sure things are steady and solid. And they deliver on those points. So that's why we lead with that for our Vdi customers and

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Philip Sellers: most of our data center. I would say 99% of our data center operations, too.

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Philip Sellers: You know, if it's any endorsement at all, our managed services practice here. It's integra is built on Nutanix, we that's not a recent thing. We've been that way for the last 5 years.

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Philip Sellers: All of the different managed services like our managed citrix desktops. Those are built and delivered on Nutanix. So we believe that it's a platform for not only that, but for all different workloads for our customers.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you, Phil. So what what I'd say at the end here is obviously, if if you're listening to this and you need help with Citrix, or you need help with nutanix or data center, or you need help with Citrix and Nutanix. Please feel free to reach out to your friendly integra client executive, or one of us on this call, and we can definitely help you. So I'll take the ad hat off now. So the.

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Geremy Meyers: Bye.

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Bill Sutton: Had to do the had to do the endorsement there.

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Bill Sutton: That's all we got for today, folks. Any other final thoughts from any of you before we adjourn.

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Geremy Meyers: Philip, it's good to see you on here so happy. 100.

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Geremy Meyers: We'll bring you back for the for the for the Citrix 200. How about that?

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Philip Sellers: That would be great. I'd love a guest spot on that one.

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Philip Sellers: thank you for inviting me in. You know we do a lot of great work together. This is a a great partnership, and I I mean that across the Nutanix and Citrix this integra and citrix.

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Philip Sellers: Zintegra and Nutanix, me and Bill like our teams.

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Philip Sellers: That's the heart of what we've got here is just a really strong partnership across it all. So it's it's a pleasure to be here with you guys.

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Bill Sutton: Well, I appreciate that, Phil. So, pleasure having you with us, and thanks for all of your input.

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Bill Sutton: Alright folks have a good evening or good day. Sorry and

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Bill Sutton: or maybe you're listening to this in the evening, so maybe that is appropriate, nevertheless, have a good rest of the week or whatever, and we'll see you on the next one.

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Geremy Meyers: Alright, thanks, Bill. Thanks, Bill. Thanks a lot.