XenServer 8.4: A New Era of Virtualization for All Workloads

In Episode 182 of The Citrix Session, host Bill Sutton and Citrix’s Todd Smith dive into the expanded capabilities of XenServer 8.4, Citrix’s enterprise-grade hypervisor. No longer just for Citrix workloads, XenServer is now fully supported for all workloads under both Citrix Platform Licensing and UHMC—making it a strong contender for organizations exploring alternatives to VMware and Hyper-V.

💡 In This Episode:

• Why Citrix is extending XenServer support to general-purpose workloads
• What’s new in XenServer 8.4: high performance, built-in HA, live migration, and automation
• The power of streaming and rapid provisioning with minimal hardware
• Simplicity of XenCenter and robust APIs for modern management
• Real-world tips for migrating from VMware using the built-in Conversion Manager
• Hardware compatibility resources and insights for planning ahead
• What to expect from the upcoming XenServer 9

🎧 Listen in to learn why XenServer’s evolution matters—and how it can help you optimize your infrastructure for flexibility, performance, and cost-efficiency.

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Bill Sutton: Hello, everyone, and welcome to episode 1, 82 of the Citrix session. I'm your host, Bill Sutton, with Zintegra. I have with me today, Todd Smith from Citrix Todd, you want to give a shout out to our audience. There.

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Todd Smith: Sure thing, Bill. Thanks for thanks for having me on today.

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Bill Sutton: Of course, seems like you and I are the the dynamic duo lately, with Jeremy being available, some and not available some, and our fearless leader, Andy Whiteside. Kind of the same. So which is fine. I think we've done well together, and going through these things over the past several weeks.

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Bill Sutton: So yeah, this is episode 1 82. Last time I forgot to put that in until later. So I I I jumped it in quickly this time. So alright. So today we're gonna cover a a new article. Obviously. It is entitled Zen Server, powering your present readying your future and now available for all workloads. This is written by Jose Augustine of Citrix.

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Bill Sutton: and this I know that Zen server has been around a while. I looked it up, Todd, before I got on the call. 2,007 is when Citrix bought zen server from zen source or I guess they bought Zen source, really? That's a that's that's really far longer ago than I thought it would be. It's 18 years ago.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, it's it's been a pretty amazing

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Todd Smith: ride with the with the the Zen Source guys. Of course, Zen source came out of the zen.org

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Todd Smith: right project out of out of Cambridge University over in England.

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Todd Smith: start off kind of as an open source research project to really kind of bring

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Todd Smith: hypervisors kind of to the forefront. Right? So what can be done? What can be leveraged? And Zen source was the actual commercial product associated with the zen.org project. We still have a lot of ties to that

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Todd Smith: to that project and that research that's continuing to go on. You think about that. It's been

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Todd Smith: I mean, the Zen project has been going on for 25 plus years.

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Bill Sutton: Oh, yeah. So Zen server is a at least in terms of as long as Citrix is at as it owned. It is a team is an adult. Now.

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Todd Smith: Yes.

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Bill Sutton: And it's but it's been a big boy for a long time. I I can remember that I think, when it was when they bought it. It was either version 3 or version 4, maybe 5. I think it was 4, and I remember installing it for the 1st time and kind of having that wow factor. So I mean, you know, back then, it was definitely a wow factor today would be kind of a neck. You know it's it's just another hypervisor. But there's a lot of things here that I think particularly Citrix customers will be really

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Bill Sutton: pleased with, or at least the core of this announcement. But you know we'll set it up a little bit. You know what's driving. This is changes in the changes in the industry. And some of the things that we see happening with happening with other players in the virtualization, industry of price changes and platform changes and things of that nature are really, you know, driving the need for a truly robust alternative hypervisor to support, to host work workloads and historically, the

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Bill Sutton: Zen server has really been focused on hosting Citrix only workloads or directly related to Citrix workloads versus general purpose, compute and storage work or compute workloads. And that's kind of what this announcement really covers. Right, Todd, you want to go into that.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, absolutely. So. So when we 1st acquired Zen source and came out with Zen server, the real goal was to kind of optimize and enable customers to to utilize a hypervisor that could

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Todd Smith: that was obviously optimized to to run Citrix workloads. Citrix workloads in terms of both the Citrix virtual app and desktop products and all of the associated

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Todd Smith: components for that. But Zen server is also the core operating system that goes into all of our Sdx netscalar.

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Todd Smith: Yeah? Yeah.

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Todd Smith: And you know, that's been hardened down. And

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Todd Smith: several years ago we made the decision to really kind of focus on the citrix, or optimizing those citrix workloads 1st and foremost. It was always kind of a best effort. Approach towards other workloads. Right? So your your Microsoft office back end. You know your exchange servers, your SQL. Servers, your iis servers and things like that.

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Todd Smith: With this announcement it's actually now saying, Hey, you know we we will fully support those those additional workloads.

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Todd Smith: and and part of this is, you know, due to some of the changes in the marketplace regarding hypervisors, and then also a change to our overall product licensing strategy

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Todd Smith: to where Zen Server is now included in your citrix platform, as well as Citrix, universal, hybrid, multi cloud, license.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, so that's a good point. So you know, historically, or or I should say, when the the Uhmc or universal hybrid multi cloud license and the platform license were announced. The support for Zen server under those licenses was really just focused on Citrix workloads right, Todd, and you could go beyond that, but it was kind of at your own risk, to some degree, or Citrix would provide best efforts supported. We've we've had several customers that have

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Bill Sutton: said, I want to use it for everything, and we've said, Well, you could do that. But there's some risk. Well, this eliminates the risk. Effectively.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. And I think the other thing besides the support ability of the workloads. There are some feature gaps between what's available in you know, traditional, these fear capabilities. Right? So you know, some of the some of the additional functionality around things like Nsx and some of the storage optimizations and things like that. Obviously, you know

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Todd Smith: them coming out of a hardware focused company, you know, with the the hardware ownerships that were out there.

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Todd Smith: Kind of drove that. But we also feel that we've added a lot of value in

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Todd Smith: the Zen server space to do things like, accelerate and optimize and be able to

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Todd Smith: really kind of leverage some of our technologies into a hypervisor, you know, platform.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, yeah.

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Bill Sutton: So one of the sections in the article, the power of the stream unlocking innovation faster. I don't know. Can can you talk about this a little bit, Todd, because I'm not all that familiar with it.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, absolutely. And you think about it. A lot of the functionality of hypervisors is very I/O dependent and very much tied

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Todd Smith: to the storage system that's out there. And one of the things we did with Zen Server is, we've added in the capability

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Todd Smith: like we have with provisioning services right to be able to leverage that not only that, but also, you know, injecting in the the machine personality, right? So being able to say, Hey, this machine is, or this. This virtual machine

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Todd Smith: is going to be used as a delivery controller, or it's going to be used as an application server, or it's going to be used as a storefront, or it's going to be used as a variety of different use. Cases there that would get injected into that disk, that base, level disk, OP virtual disk.

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Bill Sutton: Okay, interesting.

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Todd Smith: Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: So one of the other things they mentioned in this article is Zen server 8.4. So I think that's the latest released version is that right?

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Todd Smith: That is, that is the latest. I I will tell you this. We had some. We had some challenges around naming what the product is.

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Todd Smith: had a period where we had

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Todd Smith: the Zen server. Then we rebranded it as Citrix Hypervisor, and then, when we announced it was going back to the name Zen server. There was some mismatches between version numbers 8.4 is the latest, most up to date version of Zen server.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: So 1 1 of the things the couple of things, the article references is superior performance. Since servers always been high efficiency. And, you know, can deliver high efficiency workloads in a in a an appropriate manner. With good response. Times, streamline management and automation. This is some. Some of this is newer, I would say, you know, based on my history like

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Bill Sutton: robust Apis, I don't know that they, those those have been around terribly long. And then, of course, a lot more automation. And then the old Zen center intuitive tool. I've always found that really simple compared to some of the alternatives. And that's always been an advantage. And then why don't I stop there and let you comment.

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Todd Smith: Sure. So so from a performance perspective, you know, Zen and the Zen server product has always been really focused on, how do we get the most performance out the minimal amount of hardware associated with it, right? So instead of having to do something like

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Todd Smith: load up the entire set of libraries. It's pulling the libraries as needed, right? So very similar to the way

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Todd Smith: the provisioning services piece of it works in a stream in general. Right? You're only pulling down information that's necessary for that operating system to conduct the next activity right?

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Bill Sutton: Very small storage, efficient in that.

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Todd Smith: Absolutely. It's very storage efficient. It allows you to to respond very quickly.

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Todd Smith: and once it goes into memory of the of the host. It's now you're reading it at the speed of the silicon. You're not relying on the network. You're not relying on a disk adapter. You're not, you know you're not relying on fiber channel or SCSI or anything like that. It's actually reading it directly out of the memory of the host.

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Bill Sutton: Right.

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Todd Smith: That's 1 of the huge benefits there.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, we're not also allow. Go ahead.

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Bill Sutton: No, it's all right.

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Todd Smith: What it also allows us to do is, you know.

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Todd Smith: be able to quickly provision and deprovisioning the the guest vms.

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Todd Smith: so there's some. There's some huge operational benefits there.

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Bill Sutton: Right?

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Bill Sutton: Right?

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Bill Sutton: Yeah. The the last bullet under this section regarding 8.4 is business continuity. And and these are things I think folks may not realize that Z. Server has had for a long time, which is built in high availability. Live migration. The ability to to migrate workloads from one host to the other host. And then Dr. Capabilities. And there, there's some other things. I was flipping around here on the website. There's also a conversion manager application that

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Bill Sutton: from Vmware Esxi. Natively to run on zen server. And it actually, it's actually works within Zen center and you just connect it to to your host or to your your V center server and just pull the machines in and it moves them over. It takes it will reinstall the

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Bill Sutton: these end tools works. Really? Well, I was I was actually, frankly surprised a lot of times these migration tools come with a lot of promise, and then they kind of fall short when you start really getting in the weeds on them. But I found this one actually worked very well, both in the customer scenario. I think it was about 30 30 plus vms that we needed to migrate. And they they did it, literally in a couple of days. It was really straightforward.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. And and that was critical. That was a realization that we had many years ago, when we used to have to rely on 3rd party tools like plate, spin, and some of the other, you know, manufactured tools.

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Todd Smith: leverage things like our image portability service, which allows you to go across different cloud providers, right? So if you've got an image that's being used in azure, or if you got an image that's being used in aws, and you want to bring it in to leverage the Citrix cloud.

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Todd Smith: taking some of that capabilities and bringing that into the Zen server toolkit, as well. You know there's going to be a lot of additional development here, obviously being able to say, Hey, we support all workloads. Right? So we're going to have to make continued investments right. And these continued investments are really some of the things that are coming down the pipe.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, yeah, we just did. Or actually, I think we're finishing a project for a customer, a bank

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Bill Sutton: that went full in on Zen server to host their citrix workloads. And I've already reached out to our our rep and made sure that he's advised them that they now supported for traditional workloads, so they may may even be able to expand it further. They're using it like, I said primarily, for hosting the work. The the Vdas, the workloads for citrix environment. So the next section of the article, the horizon expands. Is what it's titled.

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Bill Sutton: talks about. The next generation is in development already in the works, and that's going to be zen server 9. Doesn't really give us a lot of detail here. But just say, stay tuned. Even more features and functionality really kind of making, solidifying the the Zen server platform as a really solid player in the virtualization space going forward.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. And and I think, Bill, if you look at that, that you know kind of the last line item on that or the last

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Todd Smith: lessons, and that it talks about Zen server 9 will embody our vision for the hypervisor, and a focus on

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Todd Smith: more power more flexible and adapted to meet the needs, the the evolving needs of the enterprise. Right.

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Bill Sutton: Right, right.

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Todd Smith: better optimizations, better power. It's going to have a lot more flexibility about the workloads that could be run on it. And, more importantly, that evolving needs of the enterprise really talks about things like, how do I scale it up and scale it down quickly. How do I make sure I manage it? More efficiently and more effectively right? And some of that may be, some very simple things. Other ones are a little bit more

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Todd Smith: more consuming. Right? So everyone's looking at things like, bringing AI into automation right? Being able to say, Hey, you know what I'm starting to see. More users come in here. I'm going to start triggering. Some additional

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Todd Smith: resources be spun up and made available, or on the flip side. I'm seeing a kind of a decline in my usage. I can start spinning some of these machines down

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Todd Smith: moving workloads from one group of servers to another is another critical piece about that optimization. You know, kind of systems management.

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Todd Smith: You know, the new Systems management model, which is less human interaction, more automation and more responsiveness to events and activities. Is really kind of where where a lot of these goals are going.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, we're even hearing things in the field of customers wanting to leverage the hypervisor. Really, no matter which one it is, I think,

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Bill Sutton: to allow spinning up and spinning down of like Vdi type workloads, spinning them up during the workday, spinning them down, using things like Zen Server and and auto scale spin the workloads down at the in the evening, and you overnight using them for research, leveraging AI or some other tool.

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Bill Sutton: You know, spinning up other vms in that in that space. So that we're seeing a lot of interest in that. I mean, we we've been talking about that for years about leveraging the workloads that are idle on the weekends or at night for other purposes, and being able to get full value out of your hardware investment. But I think with with the

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Bill Sutton: continued development and expansion of AI, we're going to see a lot of that. You know that becoming a reality, and it and it helps justify the need for things like Gpus. You may. You may not really be able to. You may. You may, depending on your workloads, leverage gpus for Vdi. But when you start saying, Well, I can do that. But then I could leverage them to do some sort of AI or media processing, or something off hours. Then it makes that investment much more attractive.

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Todd Smith: Yeah. And and it's kind of amazing how everything old is new again, Bill, because.

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Todd Smith: You know, when we 1st acquired, when we 1st acquired zen zen source and Zen Server came around I was part of the emerging products team, the emerging technologies team.

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Todd Smith: And that was the provisioning services. The Ardence team kind of got smashed together with some of the early Zen server teams that were out there, and

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Todd Smith: we would go in and talk to insurance companies and banks, and ironically, one of the people that was always in the room was like the old mainframe person.

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Todd Smith: and this guy would sit back and say, Don't talk to me about virtual machines. I was running virtual machines back in the seventies and early eighties, because that's the way they justified mainframes is, they would say, this is a machine that's designed to run 7 days a week, 24 HA day, and during the day it would do

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Todd Smith: the the fact that you just mentioned. Hey? Having one set of resources be adjusted so that they can run off hours doing different tasks, and during the day their Vdi

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Todd Smith: responsiveness in real time usage? Right? So there's a lot of things that are changing. And there's a lot of things that are gonna stay the same.

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Todd Smith: The only thing that's different is sometimes the label on the machine is slightly different.

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Bill Sutton: Exactly. Exactly.

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Bill Sutton: Well, that's really the crux of the article at the bottom. It does have a section that says, take the next step. There is a link for to learn more about hypervisors. So if you don't know that much about hypervisors, this is actually a kind of a neat little article on the Citrix site that talks about what they are and how do they work? And kind of, you know, 101 101 type of thing. But a lot of times when we get when we start talking about these these newer technologies, sometimes it's helpful for some folks to go back and

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Bill Sutton: and refresh themselves on what this really means, and and those that don't obviously that I think that's neat, that they included that in the article. There's a quick Start Guide that that'll take you to the Citrix Docs article, and then, of course, the an article on understanding the Zen Server release life cycle. So a lot of things to come in this area. And and I'm I'm looking forward to seeing how we see this expand over time. So.

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Todd Smith: Yeah, Bill, I I think if I were to, if I were to have the opportunity to edit this document before it got posted, I would ask also talk about

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Todd Smith: some of the updated hardware compatibility lists that are out there. It's definitely worth looking into.

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Todd Smith: it's changing frequently.

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Todd Smith: As we've started making more and more announcements around, what are the capabilities that are going to be included in 8.4? What are some of the workloads that are going to be running on there. And then also keeping up with a lot of the different hardware types that are out there, so you can look at it from, hey? I want to look at from a rack system all the way down to what happens when I put in a Nvidia

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Todd Smith: gpu, into which ones are compatible, which versions are compatible. We just had a we just had a recent conversation with a customer. They're looking at swapping out a lot of their hardware in their data center. And they're looking at a different chip manufacturer. Not only not only different hardware vendor, but a different chip manufacturer.

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Todd Smith: We pointed them at the the hardware compatibility list, and they came back and said, Hey, this is great. But the version of the servers that we're going to be purchasing are not on the list.

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Todd Smith: the hardware manufacturer actually did their certification testing and they were added onto the Zen server. Hardware compatibility list.

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Bill Sutton: Yeah, and that that can be reached at Hcl, so hardware compatibility list.zenserver.com.

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Bill Sutton: And it. I just went out to it, Todd, while you were talking, and it makes reference to Zen Server 8.4. So obviously being kept up to date and and

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Bill Sutton: Alright, that's all I that's all we have for today. Any any final thoughts, Todd.

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Todd Smith: No, I think this is one of those this is one of those game changing announcements. You know, for years we've had customers that have said, Yeah, you know, it's great. I want to really use Zen server, but our standard is something else.

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Bill Sutton: Right.

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Todd Smith: And that's something else can run all the workloads. Not just these citrix workloads. We're gonna kind of stick with them.

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Todd Smith: the changes in some of the market has really kind of driven a lot of organizations to

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Todd Smith: look at. Do I want to have a single vendor lock in approach? Do I want to be able to run

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Todd Smith: some of my workloads on Zen server and some of my workloads on some other hypervisor, whether it be hyper v or or vsphere, or whatever

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Todd Smith: to now, all of a sudden, hey? You know what if I've got if I'm making the investment in Citrix, both on the platform as well as the universal hybrid multi cloud license.

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Todd Smith: I can now have this as an entitlement

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Todd Smith: part of my budget on that, and still now, with this be fully supported for other workloads besides those traditional citrix workloads.

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Bill Sutton: That's right. It's a great, it's. It's an obvious. I think it's an obvious thing to include and to make part of the platform in the Uhmc. And to those customers like you said that that are that are struggling with cost or complexity. And they they've got those those entitlements. I mean, you're paying for it. You might as well leverage it in your environment. And and the beauty of this is like you said, is, it's not limited to Citrix anymore. It can go well beyond that to to encapsulate all the workloads.

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Todd Smith: Yeah.

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Bill Sutton: So all good stuff. Well, Todd, we'll call it a day then pretty short one today. But that's all good. Thanks a lot for your time today. Appreciate you joining us as usual, and we'll see you next time.

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Todd Smith: Absolutely. Thank you, Bill.

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Bill Sutton: Thank you, sir.